In The Rabbit Hole

In The Rabbit Hole


E166: Spy Escape and Evasion with Jason Hanson

April 18, 2016

In this episode we sit down with Jason Hanson, found of Spy Escape and Evasion. He's going to share with us some of his CIA training that may just save you're life.
~ Spy Escape and Evasion Topics Discussed:~
* What is the life of the average CIA agent really like? * How did Jason Hanson's journey start? * What is the CIA training like? * Why did he leave the CIA? * What was the most important thing he learned while working for the CIA? * What skills did he get out of his time in the CIA? * What kind of people are signing up for civilian escape and evasion training? * Is there an increase in people becoming concerned about they're safety? * Why is learning about Escape and Evasion an important thing for the average person who is not a big corp CEO or political figure? * What are the main lessons and skills does he teach students for surviving a kidnapping? * What are the EDC items Jason recommends and carries himself? * What hand-to-hand selfdefense methods does he teach? * What weapons does Jason recommend? * Are tactical pens useful and can they be carried on planes? * What are some simple things people can do to avoid being a target of a kidnapping or violent encounter? * How can people protect themselves while traveling? * Can kids be trained in escape and evasion tactics to survive, or even break free, of a kidnapping?
~ Special Note:~
The final episode of this season, season 5, will be on May 25. ITRH will return August 1st for Season 6. You will be getting the now traditional summer shorts episodes roughly every 3 weeks while the show is on summer break.
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~ Quick Takeaways from this Episode:~
What's the most important skill you learned in the CIA and teach?
The most important thing I learned [...] and it's the foundation of everything I of everything else... that's situational awareness. Because if you're not aware, it doesn't matter if you're a great shot with a gun: You'll never see the threat coming... you'll never draw your gun in time. If you're not aware you'll never see that carjacker and you'll be dead and never have a chance to use your evasive driving moves. So really... remaining in condition yellow, which is Jeff Cooper's color code, having your head up and aware of your surroundings, that's the most important thing. [...] If you're head is down, if you're texting, if you can't see that threat coming nothing else matters.
Why does the average person need this training?
Because it makes you safer in all areas of your life. So the average crime is a crime of opportunity. It's some criminal, for instance, who has a drug addition. And he's standing at your local mall and he's saying "I'm going to watch the entrance and I'm going to target the easiest victim" [...] So if you learn spy skills such as knowing if someone is following you or becoming a human lie detector [...] if you know these skills you'll be able to go home.
How hard is it to learn lie detection?
Lie detection is not as difficult as you think. There are many different signals. [...] It's several hours I spend on it in my course, but I can share one of the tips with you today that's one of the many things you look for: When you ask someone a question, pay attention to the first three to five seconds of their response. So most people are not born to lie. [...] But when you ask questions [...] honest people doen't hesitate. [...] dishonest people, because we're not born to lie, they pause and by time because their brain has to come up with a lie.
How do we tell if we're being followed?
In the spy world we have what's called a surveillance protection route. That's a very fancy way of saying just don't go from point A to point B. [...] Go from A to B to C so you can see if you're being followed. [...] If you see the same person there that's a good clue your being followed. [...] Exactly, you're forcing them into a pat