A discussion about Religion, Myth, Science and Truth. It was originally recorded by Transliminal in November 2015.


Find the original video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07Ys4tQPRis&t



  • 0:00 INTRO: PETERSON'S JOURNEY

  • 9:45 RELIGION: CROWD-CONTROL, NAIVE SCIENCE, OR NEITHER?

  • 10:08 "They're straw man arguments"

  • 11:45 Multiple motivational systems, different levels of thinking

  • 13:32 Fundamental presuppositions

  • 14:13 Dawkins vs. Christianity: like a "smart 13 year old boy"

  • 14:44 SCIENTISTS MISREADING RELIGION

  • 15:52 Different systems of thought, different purposes

  • 16:00 More than one basic assumption is possible

  • 17:13 ENTER: DOMINANCE HIERARCHIES

  • 17:19 What's real is what's persistent across time

  • 17:33 Dominance hierarchies and lobsters

  • 17:58 We're evolutionarily adapted to hierarchies

  • 18:14 HIERARCHIES, RELIGIOUS THINKING, AND SUBJECTIVITY

  • 18:42 "Being" as not reducible to material reality

  • 19:12 The road to nihilism and authoritarianism

  • 19:57 DETERMINING THE TRUTH OF A THEORY

  • 20:07 Newton or Darwin? Choose one. You can't have both.

  • 20:20 Nietzsche's "Truth serves life" is a Darwinian idea

  • 20:38 No idea if our knowledge will help us survive over deep time

  • 20:50 Answer to: "But look what we've built with it"

  • 21:20 Crossing Ebola and Smallpox: some science is clearly insane

  • 22:30 Check your assumptions about reality

  • 23:45 Darwinism: truth is what enables survival within chaos, period.

  • 25:03 Dawkins is a Newtonian not a Darwinian

  • 26:09 Reductionism leaves things out. This has consequences.

  • 27:27 The pragmatic problem: truth for what?

  • 28:09 DEEP DARWINISM & RELIGION

  • 28:15 Religion as evolved knowledge about action

  • 29:40 American Pragmatist philosophers: the true Darwinians

  • 30:17 Godel, the stock market and reality

  • 31:02 TRUTH AS ACTION

  • 31:44 Truth from the bottom up: lobsters, wolves, humans

  • 34:27 Ethics: evolved patterns in dominance hierarchies

  • 39:23 Dogs, chimps, and humans: hierarchy navigators

  • 44:45 From dominance hierarchies to archetypes: ancient Egypt

  • 52:36 The soul

  • 55:50 Jung on Christianity, truth and speech

  • 59:07 Truth versus the lie

  • 1:00:52 THE INTELLECT

  • 1:00:52 The totalitarian intellect

  • 1:02:43 Have you made thinking your God?

  • 1:03:38 Attention trumps thinking

  • 1:04:11 EVOLUTIONARY ROOTS OF WESTERN RELIGION

  • 1:04:33 Christ as a metahero

  • 1:04:43 The deep roots of myth

  • 1:07:00 Chaos monsters

  • 1:08:55 Myth as behavioural truth

  • 1:09:37 "Darwin trumps Newton"

  • 1:10:02 "Dawkins is a rationalist...not a darwinian"

  • 1:10:07 Darwinian time, Darwinian truth

  • 1:13:57 Mesopotamian myth as successful behaviour blueprint

  • 1:17:36 FROM NATURE TO HERO MYTHOLOGY

  • 1:19:33 Religious stories model being as a field for action

  • 1:21:13 Our religious task

  • 1:21:47 Religion as hero mythology

  • 1:22:30 "You...don't know that you know the story."

  • 1:23:58 PIAGET AND PRE-RATIONAL MORALITY

  • 1:25:16 We learn to act before we learn the rules

  • 1:26:18 Moses the Judge: observer of emergent moral patterns

  • 1:27:54 "Opiate of the masses" as naive industrial era thinking

  • 1:28:43 METAPHORICAL THOUGHT

  • 1:29:11 Hyperactive agency detection module: it goes deeper

  • 1:31:00 The brain as archetype detection organ

  • 1:32:08 Women are nature

  • 1:33:48 Metaphor, myth and science

  • 1:36:00 SCIENCE AND MORAL TRUTH

  • 1:37:52 Are all scientists devoted to the truth?

  • 1:39:44 How do we judge if science is ethical?

  • 1:42:57 Evil as archetypically real

  • 1:44:06 The reality of good and evil

  • 1:45:09 Science and mythology: which is embedded in which?

  • 1:48:17 EVOLUTIONARY PSYCHOLOGY AND DEEP TIME

  • 1:49:13 RELIGIOUS METAPHYSICS: OPTIONAL?

  • 1:49:20 Is God an old man with a beard in the sky?

  • 1:51:12 Hurricane Katrina, corruption, and poverty

  • 1:52:12 The significance of the bible

  • 1:53:43 The genius of the sacrifice

  • 1:55:50 INTERLUDE: TRIANGULATING MEANING

  • 1:58:02 END OF RELIGION?

  • 1:58:02 On new atheists' claims of a secular rational future

  • 1:58:29 On new age spirituality

  • 1:58:49 New atheist rationalist optimism so absurd it must be motivated

  • 1:59:18 REDUCING RELIGION VS. EXPANDING EVOLUTION

  • 1:59:40 "[The Jungian alternative]...is terrifying [for people]"

  • 1:59:57 "[Jung's work]...puts enlightenment thinkers to shame"

  • 2:00:17 "Which ideas have you? ... We're like playthings of the gods

  • 2:01:09 JUNG: STUDYING INFORMATION, NOT MATTER

  • 2:02:23 "If you study religion properly, it'll demolish your personality"

  • 2:08:16 METAPHOR VS REALITY: NOT OBVIOUS

  • 2:10:11 Ancients: phenomenologists, not scientists

  • 2:12:24 Religion as spatial

  • 2:13:24 HUMANS: EFFICIENT COMPLEXITY MANAGERS

  • 2:13:48 Reality in terms of resolution

  • 2:15:52 There's lots worse than death

  • 2:16:46 On Becker's "The Denial of Death": smart but mistaken

  • 2:19:40 Death's not the problem, it's complexity

  • 2:21:06 THE MULTICULTURAL DIMENSION

  • 2:27:35 FROM THEORY TO ACTION

  • 2:28:40 Fixing what bugs you

  • 2:29:30 Overcoming the lie

  • 2:31:54 Peterson's experience with truth

  • 2:34:45 The most powerful thing we can do