Last week, we posted an interview Dan recorded in Barcelona on Spanish politics — specifically, on the question of Catalan independence, and the municipalist movement governing cities like Barcelona. What wasn't discussed much was the fact that the conservative Spanish government of Mariano Rajoy was about to fall — which it did, just a few days later. So, Dan brought sociologist Carlos Delclós back for a follow-up interview.

Production note: Dan sounds like he’s speaking in an aquarium or calling into his own show because he messed up the recording. So, don’t blame Alex Lewis.

Thanks to Verso. Check out Street Fighting Years: An Autobiography of the Sixties by Tariq Ali

Also, register for the upcoming Socialism 2018 conference at

And support this podcast with $ and get access to our stellar weekly newsletter at!