We're taking a break from guest hosts this week (a break from a break? I don't know, roll with me) to talk with Austin Channing Brown. Austin's new book I'm Still Here: Black Dignity in a World Made for Whiteness is phenomenal, and we talk about a lot of the same topics here: what does 'racial reconciliation' really mean? What can we learn from talking honestly about our past? What's the difference between individual bigotry and institutional racism? Can niceness be harmful? Why did Austin's parents name her Austin? We talk about all of this and more.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:
- Austin references the work of Dr. Brenda Salter McNeil
- Michelle Alexander's book The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness
- Episode 25 of CXMH - Race, Faith, & Mental Health (feat. Dr. Sherry Molock & Dr. Amber Thornton)

Connect with Austin on her website, on Twitter, on Facebook, or buy I'm Still Here: Black Dignity in a World Made for Whiteness on Amazon.

Quotes:
- “I have found that studying history is really helpful for understanding our present.” (tweet)
- “It’s so much easier to point to the bigot. It is much harder to see how harm can be hidden by niceness.” (tweet)
- “It doesn’t require meanness for racism and for racist decisions to still be made.” (tweet)
- “What would it look like to actually treat white folks and people of color the same?” (tweet)
- “Our history is so informative for both how we got here and who we’ll choose to be next.” (tweet)

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Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.